Malamute logged

[original gorby]

Okay Aaron, I take it back... you're not a prick... you're an @sshole.

[numa_cruiser]

Aaron, I'm sure there are other more relevant forums where you can argue yourself stupid on property rights, especially when your argument is as uninformed as it is...when you have a case to make based on the knowledge that the owner actually had the right to do what he did to the Malamute, I'm sure there will be those also interested in disputing property rights with you elsewhere. Bring a cheery disposition next time you log on, and talk about climbing and climbing affected issues....sounds outrageous doesn't it?

If you can't, well I hope that giant penis in your neighborhood brings you enough joy not to visit Squamish and throw beer cans at the Malamute.

[erock]

I'm sorry but I don't see this as a property rights issue, it's a moral issue. Thankfully it seems like there are bylaws that protect against the uninhibited obliteration of your own property.

It boils down to the simple age old idea of stewardship. Every human being is obligated to protect resources and be a steward of the land even if they own it. For that matter even more so if they own it! So the hacking down and clear cutting of trees in a sensitive area, weather it be next to the road or in far removed pristine wilderness is wrong because it is not sustainable and not good stewardship. Now I sympathize with the forestry industry because the demand is high, families and whole economies depend on it. The whole industry grew out of clear cutting and the resource was initially thought to be limitless. But the forestry aside, what on earth was the purpose of cutting down those trees???

i guess we don't know yet? But we do know that it was wrong in a greater sense than an aesthetics issue.

Aaron, I nominate you for the SquamishClimbing ecofeminism rehabilitation award. Numa_cruiser shall be your professor if you win. Enjoy!

[numa_cruiser]

Nice one Erock. I actually had to look up ecofeminism...pretty sure I don't support the idea that the degridation of the environment is intrisically related in any way to the suppression of women unless of course one belives in a "Mother Earth". The award would more aptly be named the Ecosocialist Rehabilitation Award, suggesting a need for a widespread reduction in self interested, capital driven decision making processes. There must be some concern for those who inherit the concequences of our actions and a realization that there is such a thing as natural capital.

[erock]

The award would more aptly be named the Ecosocialist Rehabilitation Award

Yah, but ecofeminism might be a little more painful.

And now we are way off topic.

[erock]

looks like some serious fines are going to be thrown down.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news ... 95273b5ec9

[mcgarnickle]

The gov't loves this kind of sh*t. All they bother to do is impose "fines" so they can fill their greedy pockets. I would like to know how exactly a fine is going to remedy the situation. I bet not a cent is going to go towards replanting trees, it will all just go into some cityhall coffers so it can be spent on new cadillacs for bureaucrats.
How exactly does this clearcut differ from the one used to make the latest cheap strip housing on the north end of town? Or the land which was clearcut to make the Mal-Wart or Home Despot? I didn't see anybody's panties in a knot over that one. How come? Were those trees not visible enough to climbers? Seems a little selfish to me. Or was it that a permit was applied for according to the requirements of the local politicians? If that is the case, its only an issue of money, and has not a thing to do with environment or natural beauty of squamish.
Why did this cause such a ruckus? What about the clearcut at the base of penny lane? Surely you saw that one, its under a crag just like the malamute cut. Did those loggers have a permit? Is that all it really takes to pacify your environmental zealotry? If so, that's pretty weak in my opinion.
Anyway, rant over. I'm going climbing.

[original gorby]

Thanks for the link Erock...
I wasn't exactly stoked about the Mal-wart / Home Despot development but how many times did I walk through that land to watch the sun setting over Howe Sound with my girlfriend? Or walk through those woods with friends to show them a great place to climb and picnic overlooking Squamish with views of kiteboarders ripping it up and seals swimming in the sound? It used to be a nice quiet place where the forest blocked the sight and sound of traffic whizzing by on the sea to sky.... "Welcome to Squamish - Poorly Planned Development and Pillaging for Profit Capital of Canada" maybe a new sign could be put up on a stump... how about a new logo - perhaps a townhouse and a big box store overlaid on a clearcut with some dollar signs in the background.
Don't get me wrong - logging related work has been putting bread on my table for over 18 years. There is such a thing as smart growth... just no signs of it around here.

[lylek]

Hi, just to weigh in; when you consider all of the fuss that went on around Eagleridge Bluffs, the fine that Turner/ CRB will have to pay will likely be inconsequential when considering the cost (the years of delay/ permits/ assessments) for him to get permission to remove the trees in the first place, if permission were ever granted at all.

So now he pays the fine, removes the wood (how much was that fine ...?) and has the groundwork done for whatever development he has proposed on his property. This was no random act of logging; it was CRB looking at what they considered to be all of their options and choosing the one that they felt most effectively met their end goals.

I don't agree with CRB's actions as the District has a process in place to deal with tree removal and land development, and a special piece of Squamish has been destroyed. And unfortunately, I'd guess it's the beginning of the end to climbing on the Upper Malamute.