Flight of the Challenger pin

[dgauley]

Absolutely do not place a bolt. There is a reason the first bolt from club flex has it's hanger missing(i did not remove it). Most people find a bolt placed this close to an aesthetically beautiful line like flight offensive.
The pin, which was a lost arrow was replaced i believe last year with a leeper z stacker or similar. I don't think is a good application for this type of pin.
Either replace the pin with the right size Arrow, or leave it as is.

[dgauley]

Absolutely do not place a bolt. There is a reason the first bolt from club flex has it's hanger missing(i did not remove it). Most people find a bolt placed this close to an aesthetically beautiful line like flight offensive.
The pin, which was a lost arrow was replaced i believe last year with a leeper z stacker or similar. I don't think is a good application for this type of pin.
Either replace the pin with the right size Arrow, or leave it as is.

[Brendan]

And Brendan, you should get off the fence here. You don't want a bolt, but they you would clip it if it were there.Paul

Paul,

I was hardly serious. Those who know me know that I would never clip a bolt if gear can be placed. I was showing mercy to the sport climbers who want to try crack.
Besides, keeping the climb all clean (no bolts) keeps the flailers off

[paulc]

Hi Brendan;

I must have missed your sarcasm on that...

Good discussion going on here.

Paul

[Brendan]

No probs! It is good to know how people here feel about this issue, and the general topic of replacing fixed pins with bolts.

[J Mace]

Bolt the buttress too

[Brendan]

Bolt the buttress too

Well, I do recall you bringing up the fact that the fp which is on the Buttress crux pitch should be pulled and replaced with a bolt.
I'm glad I talked you out of it.

Keep it clean J Mace. Don't ruin it for the rest of us

[Peter]

What about the fixed nuts that are on the line now? Should those be removed every time they get stuck?

Paul

Yes they should be removed, in fact that's another debate, as the 'ol fixed nut, seems to be appearing more and more these days.....

[Dru]

that the fp which is on the Buttress crux pitch should be pulled

oh don't worry, it will fall out by itself soon

[Brendan]

that the fp which is on the Buttress crux pitch should be pulled

oh don't worry, it will fall out by itself soon

Well if you stop stepping on it all the time maybe it can last till the end of summer

[marc_leclerc]

The 'if you don't like the bolt, don't clip it' argument is futile and useless. The presence of the bolt still alters the commitment factor, whether you plan on clipping it or not. You could go up, feel strong and pull it without clipping. But if you suddenly felt bad about it you could cop out and clip it and take.... the fact that you can do that still ruins the climb. If you are too scared to do the easy section of the hard climb without a bolt, traverse a little and clip the bolt on Snadford squeeze job with a sling.. but like I said if someone places a bolt where the pin used to be, I will chop it myself if no one else does....

[Anders Ourom]

So will it be Flight, or Fight?

[slopr]

haha well put Anders

[Brendan]

So will it be Flight, or Fight?

Come on Anders, you should know it's supposed to be 'fight or flight'

[Lurch]

I dunno boys that buttress pin seemed pretty solid when i bailed on it last weekend.

Granted i only fell 6 inches because i had just clipped it but i do weigh a good 200 pounds and it felt solid while i hung on it.

I had 8 pieces in by that point but i sure was glad to clip that pin. 2 moves from an onsight dammit