Simul Rapping

[J Mace]

The pay grade is generally defined by the level of the responsibilities performed within the job description of the position and the length of time the person has performed the job.

less time, less experience = lower pay grade

Folks who try to work above their pay grade often get sent home... sometimes by you...

[pbeckham]

Yeah, I get that.
What's the connection and what's your point?

[J Mace]

the same thing you said in three paragraphs

[pbeckham]

Of course, how obvious!

[Lurch]

(gnaraphobe, I was offering observation and am unqualified to pass judgement so give er' dude! )

Not so Perry. All of us need a reminder at times to double check our systems, and make sure we come home safe. I certainly wouldn't want to lose a partner as a result of a mistake I could have easily avoided. There are enough inherent risks in climbing, make sure you live to climb another day!

[jonny2vests]

Anyone ever bothered with 'semi-simul' rapping? (I made the name up, so don't google it) Some of the guides in the Verdon use it with clients. You set up the simul rap as normal, but still go one at a time. Obviously not as quick, but still quicker than standard I assume (I've never bothered with it). I guess it gives the guide an extra layer of safety and he gets to check the the other guy before he starts. Obviously you could just rap normally and stack him above you before you go, but that's normally a pain in the arse in somewhere like the Verdon.

J2V

[harihari]

In my experience, two organised experienced people can save a bunch of time simulrapping, but only when

a) you don't have to build belays/bail stations
b) there is no need to slide the knot over the edge when starting a rappel
c) you don't have Red-Rocks-style howling sideways winds
d) you tie knots in the ends
e) you both use a backup prussik

Some of those routes in Red Rocks (or Potrero)-- e.g. solar slab descent, prince of darkness-- go WAY faster (esp if you have 2 parties sharing ropes and raps)-- simul-rapping.